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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17730 il: 19 Mar 2019, 06:42 »
"Bastano 12/15 miliardi" Salvini a proposito della flat tax.
Siamo ancora in campagna elettorale.
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Se fosse un’orchestra a parlare per noi Sarebbe più facile cantarsi un addio Diventare adulti sarebbe un crescendo Di violini e guai I tamburi annunciano un temporale Il maestro è andato via Metti un po’ di musica leggera Perché ho voglia di niente Anzi leggerissima

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17731 il: 19 Mar 2019, 08:07 »
Intervista molto sarcastica del sindaco di Lampedusa che denuncia un aumento degli sbarchi sull'isola. "Probabilmente non facciamo più parte dell'Italia perchè, secondo il governo, gli sbarchi sono nel paese sono azzerati".
Se fosse un’orchestra a parlare per noi Sarebbe più facile cantarsi un addio Diventare adulti sarebbe un crescendo Di violini e guai I tamburi annunciano un temporale Il maestro è andato via Metti un po’ di musica leggera Perché ho voglia di niente Anzi leggerissima

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17732 il: 19 Mar 2019, 09:52 »
Questa cosa della flat tax, oltre ad essere la certificazione incontrovertibile che la Lega è NEMICA DEL POPOLO, è l'ennesima manovra di campagna elettorale. Con la guerra a i necri non ci si campa in eterno ed a settembre c'è da fare la nuova finanziaria con 23 miliardi di clausole di salvaguardia, ergo, occorre staccare la spina al governo il prima possibile per non intestarsi il più colossale aumento delle tasse della storia della Repubblica.

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17733 il: 19 Mar 2019, 10:23 »
'sta cosa degli sbarchi azzerati mi puzza di stronzata. :yes:

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17734 il: 19 Mar 2019, 15:07 »
TFP Link :: https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2019/03/19/news/la_politica_italiana_non_sa_cosa_pensare_della_cina_il_risultato_dell_analisi_della_societa_fb_associati_-221990872/?ref=RHPPLF-BH-I0-C8-P5-S3.4-T1

Articolo abbastanza di parte mi sembra ma la Cina é vicina:



Tutti, tutti drizzano le orecchie con i Cinesi in sala


Italiani un po' popolo d'accattoni...

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17735 il: 19 Mar 2019, 15:23 »
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è normale che un ministro debba svolgere i suoi compiti istituzionali e che non possa quindi essere presente in aula. Il problema però sorge quando si approfitta delle missioni per nascondere assenze ingiustificate, come per esempio comizi ed eventi elettorali.

TFP Link :: https://www.openpolis.it/di-maio-e-salvini-abusano-del-loro-ruolo-per-fare-campagna-elettorale/

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17736 il: 19 Mar 2019, 15:27 »
TFP Link :: https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/finanza-e-mercati/2019-03-19/caro-salvini-ecco-perche-febbre-spread-e-ancora-alta-090915.shtml?uuid=ABBwsefB

«Son contento perché di solito lo spread finisce sui giornali e in televisione solo quando cresce ma siamo tornati sui livelli precedenti al governo Lega-5stelle» ha recentemente dichiarato il vice-presidente del consiglio Matteo Salvini riferendosi al recente calo del differenziale di rendimento tra BTp e Bund.



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Se fosse un’orchestra a parlare per noi Sarebbe più facile cantarsi un addio Diventare adulti sarebbe un crescendo Di violini e guai I tamburi annunciano un temporale Il maestro è andato via Metti un po’ di musica leggera Perché ho voglia di niente Anzi leggerissima

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17737 il: 19 Mar 2019, 16:08 »
http://metamoderna.org/beyond-left-and-right-at-long-last?lang=en&fbclid=IwAR3gnlx3a3uY5E-YQQNdskDTMgzW2yU-G5Km9KJtfqTa807PwQDejspMmNA

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DON’T BE AN ALLERGIC FOOL, ACKNOWLEDGE THE RECIPROCITY OF ALL SPHERES OF SOCIETY
A large part of this issue is to transcend one’s own political allergies. Let’s try out a few words, allergies of the Left: market, power, capitalism, auth­ority, profit – and of the Right: radical, social, feminism, revolution, public.

If you get a sense of spontaneous disgust or aggression upon reading any of these words, if the word itself comes out on the paper sheet as repul­sive, you have a political allergy, hijacking your political mind. One needs to recognize that these are not inherent essences or givens. They can all be good or bad, depe­nd­ing on the context – and more pertinently, they are all good and bad. It just makes relatively little sense to “hate” or “be against” such vague and open categories as “the market”. It limits your thinking. It makes you dumb.

All of the three systems – democratic bureau­cracy, the market and civil sphere – are simply forms of governance that pro­cess information about the behavior of humans, coordinating our actions in order to create desir­able common and individual results. Each of them has its patho­logies, its own sick­nesses, its own limitations as well as its own mag­ni­fic­ent qualities. There are intelligent and unintelligent markets, intelli­gent and unintelligent bureau­cracies and democratic institutions, and the civil sphere can be equally inclu­sive as it can be oppressive.

The three systems depend upon one another for their functioning, for their very existence. There are no countries without markets – and no larger mark­ets without regulating states and bureaucracies (as “the father of sociology” Max Weber pointed out). And the civil sphere, in the sense that the great master of German social theory Jürgen Habermas first des­cri­bed it, grows and gains its force as the modern state comes alive. When the mod­ern state is intro­duced, people have this penetrating, overarching entity that determines much of their lives, which gives us something in common to talk about – in the nat­ional news, papers or cafés. And the modern nation state makes it possible for us to have a “personal sph­ere”, where we are expected to keep our own “individual” dreams, close rela­tions and sexual­ities at some distance from the public and professional realms.

In some important ways, the systems have become more independent from one another under modernity, during the last 200 years or so. As Weber’s classical sociology established, the genius of modernity, the spirit of modern society, is its ability to tease out different dimensions of social reality from one another: 1. the rational/scientific objective truth, 2. the subjective/personal aesthe­tic, and 3. the interpersonal/moral realm.

You can’t burn someone at the stake for making a scientific claim anymore. You can have sexual relations without it necessarily having eco­nomic implications. You can elect officials based on merits rather than who they are related to or how rich they are (in theory, sigh). You can start a business without it threatening your family relations – and so forth.

The spheres gain a certain form of independence or autonomy. And this is a wondrous thing, really: fair markets are ideally free from cozy friend­ships that make for crony capitalism, bureaucracy sees all citizens as equals and should ideally work independently of market interests, and love should ideally be free from power relations and gold-digging.

However, such a teasing out (with a fancier word: differentiation) of the different dimensions of social life is never complete. The systems inter­pene­trate. They continue to affect one another. When a modern society fails to differentiate these three spheres, this brings all kinds of social dis­eases: corruption, favoritism, inequality before the law, misuses of public office, formations of cartels and unfair monopolies, breaches of the personal privacy of people – the list of horrors is endless. Consider what happens if your boss is sleeping with your wife, or the bureaucracy works to help certain ethnicities or clans over others. In modern society we want to be rid of such things. Good riddance.

But the glory of modernity has a dark side: in the meantime we become split up; the same person is a family member, a citizen and a professional. These spheres of life are kept at a certain distance from one another. This is one of the major sources of alienation in modern society. In sociology, this nasty baby goes by many names (all of which catch slightly different mean­ings): fragmentation, the postmodern condition, the corrosion of character, and so forth.

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There is an underpinning to all of this, a central insight. The phil­osophical principle of metamodern politics is as simple as it is elegant. This principle holds that social life is of fractal nature, and that society consists of three interdependent dimensions that always repeat themselves but ultimately depend on one another: solidarity, trade and competition.

Solidarity – in all societies that have ever existed, there has been coop­eration and what the anarchist classic Peter Kropotkin term­ed “mutual aid”. And in all of our lives, there are always at least some aspects of such things as caring, brotherhood, friend­ship, cooperation, help, char­ity, allia­nces, affiliation, liking, love and so forth. The principle is: you, rather than me.
Trade – in all societies that have ever existed, and in everyone’s life, in every relationship, there is an element of exch­ange: tit for tat, some­thing for something. The principle is: me and you, but only condi­ti­onally. “Only conditionally” serves to underscore that we only make trade transactions if there is something for us to gain.
Competition – in all societies that have ever existed, and in every­one’s life, in every goddamn relationship, there is an elem­ent of competition: con­­flicting interests, power relations, struggle, manipulations, violence, ani­­m­osity, enmity and so on. The prin­ciple is: me, not you.
The unstated, irrational belief that people have, is that one of these three dim­en­­sions somehow makes up a higher truth than the other two. The Left some­how believes, in a subtle but pervasive manner, that solid­arity is the highest truth. The libertarian Right believes that trade is the first principle. The con­servative and the fascist believe in their hearts that fierce competition lies beyond the other two, that it ultimately defines social reality.

The metamodern political activist makes no such mistake, has no such prejudices, and recognizes that each of these three beliefs is equally dis­honest and violent against the nature of reality. Each of these pre­judices comes at a terrible cost in terms of human and animal suffering

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17738 il: 19 Mar 2019, 18:39 »
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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17739 il: 19 Mar 2019, 20:34 »
Indagato Zingaretti per finanziamento illecito :D

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17740 il: 19 Mar 2019, 20:35 »
Indagato Zingaretti per finanziamento illecito :D

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io la magistratura, buh, non so, altro che "atto di fede"... è più facile essere un buon cristiano praticante che fidarsi (ciecamente) di sta gente.

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17741 il: 19 Mar 2019, 23:56 »
Non ti fidi della magistratura o di Zingaretti?

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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17742 il: 19 Mar 2019, 23:59 »
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Re: [Politica e Governo] Dove c'è il disordine io prospero
« Risposta #17743 il: 20 Mar 2019, 00:23 »
Non ti fidi della magistratura o di Zingaretti?

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Se fosse un’orchestra a parlare per noi Sarebbe più facile cantarsi un addio Diventare adulti sarebbe un crescendo Di violini e guai I tamburi annunciano un temporale Il maestro è andato via Metti un po’ di musica leggera Perché ho voglia di niente Anzi leggerissima